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Some general rod building questions new
      #40304 - 05/30/02 07:54 AM

I have built a few rods in the past and they turned out o.k. Now I would like to try & build a really NICE one, or two, or three....

I have heard a lot about the Rainshadow blanks (what color are they?) and just received the 02 Pacific Bay catalog. I would like to build an
8 foot, 1 piece casting rod, in the 10-20# range. I have a GL3 930 mag-med which I like pretty well, but would like something a bit heavier. I think the 965 rainshadow is the one I am thinking of. Has anyone built on this blank?

I also want to purchase a drying motor, what are some recommendations, I see Cabela's offers a few. The one I currently use is a motor from a BBQ rotisserie, but it only turns about 3.5 rpm
(great for chicken). I think I need faster than that to get a really nice glass finish, don't I?.

Also, where is the best place to buy components? such as handle kits, guides, etc.

Thanks for any info....

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: SPAWNEDOUT]
      #40305 - 05/30/02 10:05 PM

965 for back bouncing? The barbecue rotaire goes at a perfect speed. If you aren't getting glass finish there is something else wrong.

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: busybeaver]
      #40306 - 05/30/02 12:58 PM

Yes on the 965 for back bouncing. The finish I got on the last 2 rods using the rotisserie motor has been fairly glass like, though did not flatten out evenly as much as I would have liked. Should I be applying 2 thin coats instead of 1?

I also was working in conditions about 55-60 degrees. Would the finish flow better @ 70 degrees or above?

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: SPAWNEDOUT]
      #40307 - 05/30/02 04:30 PM

Marty, I was thinking a 965 for what I call "hover" fishing for Chinook, which is slowly backing bait/kwickfish, etc. down through a hole with an electric motor. It is probably called something different, in different areas.

I typically use the GL3 930 or 9000 and they are fun, but I would like something with a little more back bone. I read somewhere in here about the 965, and it sounded good. Any suggestions?

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: SPAWNEDOUT]
      #40308 - 05/31/02 06:56 AM

Hey Spawner, a good place to get all your components is...right here! Marty can get you anything in the Pac Bay or Rainshadow catalogs at a very good price. Most of the Rainshadow blanks are "matte clear" or a medium charcoal color, kinda like an old GL3. They have some blanks available in a glossy, dark green that is attractive,too. Their Forecast blanks are a dark blue. Your BBQ motor should work fine, I try to do my finishing in the house where the temp is at least 70 degrees...makes the epoxy level out much better. As for one coat or two, it depends on the type of finish, and how you apply it, no clear-cut answer there. Check out www.rodbuilding.org ,they have a LOT of info there.

And I just gotta ask, what is the story behind the "tip" in your signature line...

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: greg]
      #40309 - 05/31/02 08:01 AM

The 965 should work.
Need to unbury before I can do custom rod orders.....As much free time as dentist at a candy convention.

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: busybeaver]
      #40310 - 05/31/02 09:11 AM

Marty, sounds like ya need to hire a personal assistant!

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: greg]
      #40311 - 05/31/02 05:00 PM

Spawnedout, I have a couple of the 965's great rod. Enough back bone to straighten out a stock kwikfish hook using tuff line [Smile] Rainshadow is also working on a couple more Hot Shot models. Don't know when they are going to be out though. Rainshadow is hard to beat the price of the blanks and everything I have seen out of them is excellent quality. Like was mentioned above go to Rodbuilding.org any question can be answered there and any tricks also.
I bought my drying motor from anglers workshop, I don't remember the exact Rpm's but it is a bit faster than a BBQ motor. That is what I started out with though. One key is making sure your finish is very well mixed. What finish are you using? Flex coat? or something else?
Good luck and if you have anymore questions on the 965 I would be glad to answer them. I just finished a 1084 Steelhead rod also. Looking forward to fishing with it [Smile]
Marty is a great source for stuff if he has time, he is where I got my first Rainshadow. I have a conection closer to home now though.

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: firedog]
      #40312 - 06/01/02 06:32 AM

Here's the link to rodbuilding.orgs FAQ's page Rodbuilding.org FAQ's

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: firedog]
      #40313 - 06/01/02 08:43 PM

It’s hard to beat the old BBQ motor for price. And some do spin faster than others. I have one from wal-mart that’s really slow, 2.5 to 3 rpm. And one I got at a garage sale that runs about 4 rpm. I think the faster one does a better job with thinner coats of epoxy. I usually soak the hardener and resin in a warm water bath at 75 deg. I try to work in a 70 deg. Environment also. Humidity, believe it or not, plays a role also. I have had some botched epoxy jobs in the past from working in the shop during a rainstorm. I figured that if the windows are foggy the humidity is to high and the temp. To low. I have always used saringies to measure hardener and resin also. You can get them at any pharmacy. Eliminated one source for error.

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: Riptide]
      #40314 - 06/02/02 11:05 AM

Thanks for all the info guys.

Greg, the "Never pet a burning dog" tip came from an old timer I had met in a tavern when I was about 21. Me and some friends were having some beers and b.s. with this old timer for about 3 hours who was funnier than hell. Before he left our table, he asked me if I wanted one last piece of advice, I said sure and he told me "Never pet a burning dog"......... I just thought that was funny, as well as damn good advice.

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: SPAWNEDOUT]
      #40315 - 06/04/02 01:19 PM

I do a lot of backbouncing in Oct and Nov for Chinook here on the SC with 1-3 oz of lead and the 965 is my rod of choice. Great feel, great tip and able to handle nice chinook.!

We have complete rod kits available...

Anglers workshop carries a great line of motors, check them out at www.anglersworkshop.com they are very helpful and will answer any questions you have.!

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: TH]
      #40316 - 06/05/02 07:44 PM

The rainshadow rods are sweet. This year I've been using an IST1026 and HS1025 and love them. The HS1025 is becoming my favorite rod. Might need to try one of those 965's. [spinner] [BIG NATE!!]

You do know that you dont really need a drying motor. I've only recently got into building rods and have built 4 so far. The last 3 I have hand turned. The finish has come out great. I turn the rod every few minutes for the first hour, then about every 15min, then 30 min. I just flip the rod either guides up or down. Takes a total of 3 to 3.5 hours but I like the results and besides I'm too cheap to buy a motor.

Just my 2 cents. [Big Grin]

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Re: Some general rod building questions new [Re: WaterDog]
      #40317 - 06/06/02 06:46 AM

Without having a very clean room dedicated to nothing but rod building it is hard to get that perfect finish on the rods. The longer it takes for the finish to dry the more airborne dust particles get a chance to stick in the finish before it dries making the finish look non glassy.

I finish my rods in a room that does not have carpet and is as clean as a room as I can maintain. I usually put my finish on very early the morning before the wife and kids get a chance to stir up any dust in the house. I close the door to the room and leave the rod alone on a slow BBQ motor.

I use to have a problem with wanting to touch the finish to see if it was dry yet. To stop my bad habit of leaving a finger print in the finish on the rod, I now use the left over finish and paint a small patch on my rod stand. When I get that urge to check the finish, I touch my test patch instead. I have almost coated my entire wrapping stand in rod finish [Big Grin]

I dont believe the rotating speed difference will affect the sheen to your dried finish. I have read that a drying motor will egg your finish on the rod, and a hand turning set up as Waterdog described will give you a rounder finish. [Confused] I dont know if that is true, but it could be. For the ease of the BBQ motor I dont have to baby sit the rod for a couple hours and it makes the process much easier.

Warm up your finish so it goes on easy and will penetrate the thread. I usually set the unmixed containers in a cup of hot water for a few minutes to get the temp up. Then mix slowly not getting any air bubbles in the finish. An alchohol torch does wonders for getting out any bubbles in the applied wet finish.

I have been using an IST1026 rod and have really come to like it. I have played with the HS1021, HS1023 and HS1025 rods and cant seem to get into that limber tip. I have seen Firedogs 965 rod and like the action, but a one piece rod is difficult for me to transport and I like my rods to break down. I wish Rainshadow would come out with an IST1027 2 piece rod (something in the 15 to 40 lb range) in my opinion they dont have any 2 piece rods that have enough backbone to handle a delta diver at B10 and take the shock of a salmon hitting the rod. But the rods they do make are very very nice. They are consistantly the straightest rods I have built. [Smile]

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Re: Some general rod building questions [Re: Bait O' Eggs]
      #40318 - 06/06/02 07:51 PM

So much information!...I thank you all....I think the next rod I build will be finished with the bbq motor, it sounds like I could achieve the finish that I want by following some good advice from all of you. I truly appreciate it.
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