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WOW...........this is quite the thread(record?)I must say there is a wide variety of veiws here. alow me to voice mine(maybe repete some)  . being from montana ive fished all my life. i like getting out and enjoying nature,usually the less people the better,the older i get the harder that is to find. it's a fact of life that there are more people goin to more places.I agree that we need to help keep it resonable, you dont want to tell joe schmoe(*and his 10 buddys about a "special" spot. I enjoy talkin and shareing fishing, i like takeing a freind fishing, if i think they'll tell everyone i'll take um too blue cr. or rieders.I dont know that much water around here but i like "finding it"(on my own), it makes it that much better, i'm not apposed to listening to someone tell me "there it is" , but i dont expect that. I like to share fishing, i have a soft spot for the young kids out there learning and lovein' it (reminds me of me), half the time they can tell me something.lets just remember that theres a lot of lurkers that wont even post the time of day, just looking for "the" hot tip. hell we all want to learn something......thats what we do. for the new guys that dont want to post for fear of ???? bla bla bla, post your opinion and let the responses fly! I'm new and I feel the "newbie" look on me but so ^#^%$in what, im a fisher just like eveyone here. take me as i am. well thats enough see ya on the next thread (if they'll still have me  ) 
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Timber
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How about we just DONT post about small rivers! I can't believe how some people can't get that through there thick skull!
I guess there are a few folks out there that think there a hero by giving up small river names or taking someone on a part of river that use to have little presure. Hero my A$$ more like moron!
Learn like I did get out and FISH! why the helll should I give up info on rivers and spots that I spent money to find along with miles on truck and feet!!
You want a tech question feel free but dont ask or mention small rivers..
Hope I offended all you give me river info people!!
If you cant learn on your own what fun is it anyway?
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New guys are WAY better off reading tips on techniques and presentation than they are getting river names.
A good river and poor presentation will result in little action. Good presentation in ANY river gives you a pretty good chance of hooking fish.
You can make any river, creek or stream your own little zipper by learning its ins and outs. Why worry where everyone else if fishing?
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Craven: Thanks. I appreciate that. When I first met you I thought you were a bit rough around the edges, meaning that I could tell that you were a seasoned fisherman and learned the hard way. Meeting you and Steve are probably one of the better things that have come from this board for me.
Timberman: I’m sorry that you feel that you must offend people to make a point. I can only hope that some day you realize that positive input will bring positive results. Negativity never does any good.
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Hey Noodle,
For someone who didn't want to rip on me you did a good job of it. You make me out as someone whose never fished a day in his life looking for an easy way in to info that others worked hard for. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have been fishing in this area all my life and until recent years have had enough time to get my own info. Which I have always shared with anyone eager to learn. While I shared info I always tryed to impart respect for our fisheries and other fishers. So it chaps my corkies to be told that I am some sort bum looking for a "free lunch", but I guess everyone is entitled to thier opinion.
Gooose and Ynot thank you for positive and helpful responses. I will be sure to follow your advice.
Thanks
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A few more ...
"Does that include the misunderstandings? "
I was wrong to repremand you via the net,but you did kinda deserve it  ...in a softer kinder method? 
....an email would have worked.
For those that feel they are entitled to so much
Why should so many benefit from the efforts of a few  ......Os
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What makes a river a zipper?? The size of it or the number of returning fish to it.Or limited access.Or maybe its just afew guys who think they own the river or hole.Just wondering.I just got back from GI joes (hope this isnt a zipper store) picked up a copy of the Reel News january edition.In it there is a list of the 25 hottest winter steelhead rivers listed by catch numbers.I thought it was pretty funny to see alot of the zippers listed high on the list.But the river I spend most of my time on falling in at #19. But nobody thinks of it as a zipper I seen it posted many times here.Even the river that started this thread was higher than #19.So after looking at that info it makes me think that what makes a zipper isnt the size,# of fish,or access. It is just that afew fisherman dont want to share THERE river.I have also noticed one of the easy ways to find a good hole on some rivers is to follow the trail of trash.Which could have only been left by those spiecal fisherman that know these secret holes. Or maybe this is just left so you can find the hole again.
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I have also noticed one of the easy ways to find a good hole on some rivers is to follow the trail of trash.Which could have only been left by those spiecal fisherman that know these secret holes. Or maybe this is just left so you can find the hole again.
Duro,
I think thats exactly the reason people get so uptight about advertising small streams, with more people comes more trash. I think its safe to say that most of the time if your fishing in a trash riden hole...its not a zipper . I think you'll also find that most of the people concerned about keeping a spot secret or on the down low, are the LAST people on this earth that would leave their shiat everywhere.
RL
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Timber
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Neuros-Could you please tell me how I offended people? As far as possitive input I do that on TECH questions!! Not on what river should I take all my friends and there friends and there friends too!!!
My point was if you think you have to drag someone that you offer out of a thread on the board to a river that is somewhat of a zipper to hook people into fish you are a moron.That should only offend you if you fall in that catagory!If you want to do that take em on the Sky or Cow..
I had a buddy that was plugging a spot and hooked a fish and had to pull down river a bit to land it. A guy came up behind him and asked "did you just hook a fish here" he said "yes" so the guy dropped anchor right where he was plugging as was gonna go back up and do it again...That person is a board member from here and is new to that river. You wanna talk about offend someone thats offending to me..
This is another reason only my good friends get river info out of me because I dont want someone pullin this $hit on me!!
TM
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Hope I offended all you give me river info people!!
If you cant learn on your own what fun is it anyway?
TM
Dont get me wrong. Im not saying that you offended anyone, but it seems that was a point you were making in that post. I dont understand that logic.  I understand the point your trying to make but why would you be glad to offend someone is all im saying. The point im trying to make, and im hoping I did, is it makes more sense to me that if im being stupid, explain to me why im being stupid rather than calling me stupid.
I need to quit posting in this thread. Im glad that it is here now though because it was a fast way to learn the do's and dont's.
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Timber
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Why that is stupid has been explained 10,000 times!!! 20 in just this thread!
If I need to explain you wouldnt understand anyway!
TM
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Lunker, I probably shouldn't add anything else to this thread, but what the hell.
I wrote: 1. You have a busy life (by choice) and 2. You rarely get out to fish
You wrote: I, and most of the people I know, am very busy with career, kids soccer games, PTA, volunteer work that I do not have the time to do as much fishing as I used to.
I wrote: 3. You want people on this site to tell you when and where the fish are in
You wrote: I got on this site excited that I had finally found a site frequented by like minded people who wouldn't mind sharing information that was not dated or skewed to sell magazines.
I wrote: 4. You're pissed because nobody will hand you (and the world) their favorite spot via this message board
You wrote: Unfortunately, the impression I get is one of exclusion. It seems rife with disdain for anyone without the time or resources to fish many rivers and thereby glean his own information and then zip his lip.
I'm not trying to be all negative here. This is just the angle that some people are coming from when they don't want to share certain things. For the most part, people will give out a lot of info on techniques, gear, baits, etc. Lesser known locations are the only hush items.
If you ever plan on fishing the north end rivers, send me an email and I'll tell you what I know about recent action.
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Nerurosis,you remind me of my ex-wife. 
she never quit when she was ahead either.
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Haha. I figured that. I think t.m. is misunderstanding me but what the hell. I'm done talking about it. Thats a good example of why you never drink and try to type at the same time. I hate to see this turn Jerry Springer.
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So Neo are you implying that I was drinking while posting?
You couldnt be farther from the truth!!!
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NO. I was talking about me. I have a feeling there were about 3 misunderstandings including that one. After the weekend I just had I dont feel like trying to explain. Just disregard anything ive posted after 1-30 and everything will be a-ok.
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I have a friend that is going to drag me down there next weekend. I'm wondering if anyone fishes there and if so could you give any kind of report. Im sure were going to go no matter what but It would be nice if there are some fish in there.
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Timber Man, quit being so selfish. The rivers are for everyone to fish not just YOU. If you don't want to take people to your spots then great. But to call people names because they take someone out fishing is RIDICULOUS. Whether they found the spot or someone showed it to them they have just as much right be there as you. So if you think your little rivers are getting to much pressure then quit fishing them!
Lofty
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I am a Wahington Native and have fished most of my life. I always make me wonder who these guys are that want to belive that their spot on the river, lake or any piece of water is theirs personally. Someone mentioned or showed them at least some of those spots. Are you going to keep it from your son or daughter also because it is only yours. Yes, I have seen alot of my favorite spots trashed by so-called sportsman, Then I learn that alot of them are not anything close to sportsman. If we cannot ask a question about a piece of water why is this forum here. I have yet to get to most holes on a non traveled path. Where would you suggest we go for information if not here? You guys remind me of the grumpy old men on the Cow or Green.
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I believe that the a couple of words that will help describe how to avoid this type of situation.........
1) Common Sense
2) Discretion
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RT
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Well put, John.
This is just my take on how this subject/thread is going: Small rivers and lesser known spots on bigger rivers are an emotional issue. Most of us, including myself, have expressed it's probably best not to discuss those places on a widely read public fishing forum; with popular spots being fair game for whatever. However, I see both misunderstandings occuring and some posts with unnecessary harsh baggage. I will use yours as an example Kevin (TM). I know you are among the most protective of the zippers, which is cool. But it would be better to explain the whole scenario about this without using harsh namecalling like "moron". That takes some of the effectiveness away from your actual message. Another thing ... you guys that think TM considers the zipper streams he fishes as "his", and not for others, by reading his posts are misunderstanding. His message, and some other's same message, isn't "don't fish there", it's don't advertise such spots publicly. And you are welcome to fish there IF you find the spot yourself, or someone gives you info about it in an email. Then keep mum about such spots that afford more solitude - which is getting harder to come by. I think it's that simple. No need to flame it up into an arguement.
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When I first started visiting the "boards" I was somewhat puzzled and maybe even a little put off about the "Zipper" thing. Time and experience have shown me that it is the right thing for any number of reasons. By trying to be a contributing member on this board ( and I am one that has gotten lots more than I have given) I have learned about a lot of rivers. If the weather had cooperated I would have been on a new river this weekend. Hey Mods wanna moderate the weather a little. geez. 1600 mi. and did not even rig a pole. But I knew where to look for fishable water even then because of the people on this board. I know more about the rivers now than I ever did when I lived there. There are a lot of good guy that are more than willing to share info... just not for everyone with internet access to see. This seems really wise too me. Are there any true zippers out there to be discovered. All depends on you. To all who have shared information and offered boat rides.. THANK YOU.... 
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Lofty- To each his own just stay off MY river...
I guess I just talk to myself around here! I have yet to be understood...
TM
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If we cannot ask a question about a piece of water why is this forum here.
It's here so that you can get a lot of information how to effectively fish ANY piece of water. Good presentation is the name of the game.........the rest will follow. 
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And also for fun posts about good and/or funny fishing days, and related subjects. Good posts about equipment and boats too. And nice pics of fish and river scenery. Etc. 
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Steve Hanson
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just didn't feel right not seeing this on the front page 
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I was hoping it would go away.
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