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I just do a modified spey cast from my one hander, 9'6" is all i need to get it there for most of the rivers i fish...
Turst me on this one! You can do almost any spey cast with a one handed rod at 9'or better. You could do some with a shorter rod by (my .02 cents only here not very well)with a bit of practice.
Spey casts are not that big a deal; and they will REALLY add to your one handed casting options.
Only thing that makes then a tad clumbersom (sp?) is the short butt below the reel; so what; you've got three fingers on the cork, not the whole hand. Trust me! It really works.
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Again, I find myself agreeing with Fred on this. I think that also leads to the "recent discovery" and growing popularity of the so called "switch rods" (Also called "single-handed spey", "Hand and a halfers", "three handers", etc.) I have one and didn't even know it until I heard what they were - I find it perfect for my fishing in the smaller Great Lakes Tributaries.
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You know, I had a hard time translating my spey to my one hander. I could do it, but was hard. It may have been the rod I had at the time. It was an older med action (almost medium slow). I thought it would be a good match, but for some reason I couldn't get the line to roll out and fly like my spey would. But, I never tried it once I got my better fly rods. Hmmmm, maybe I'll try it on my last rod I have. Just that I had much better luck spey casting on the spey rod.
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What would be the proper line choice for a single handed spey line?
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I use DT or steelhead taper (long belly), works great
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Yeah, I agree - I also use a DT line - but ONLY because I do a lot of indy fishing, and do a lot of mending.
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After reading all of this hype on Spey casting I'm going to try it out Monday. I have a fellow fly fisher that has several rods and he is going to let me do the spey with one of them. I will be using either a Loop or a Fly Logic. I should have so many choices.My friend is Mattzoid. He used to frequent that other site once in a while. And I'm trying to get him over here.
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I was out tonite chasing cutthroat with the 4 wt, doing all sorts of spey casts on a Sage LL 4 wt. Different rods need some stroke adjustment, but the spey casts can be done (more or less) on any flyrod. Its probably easier for some people to learn spey casting basics on a singler hander first, because getting used to a 13-15' rod can be a chore in itself without having to also learn the new motions.
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As noted above, most spey casts can be done very well with a one handed rod. Think Steve above must have a small record of sorts; first time I've heard of "doing it" with a rod as light as a 4wt.
Point of learning several of these casts is you're no longer tied to water with enough room to make a back cast, you can also cut out a lot of fooling around false casting.
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I must be doing something really wrong. I assume type of line must be a big factor. DT a must? I know I tried with my WF, and was a bear. But, I never was the best of casters anyways. LOL I can get the line out, and catch fish. But, don't expect a picture perfect cast. 
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Hey Old Man 1, say hello to Mattzoid he is the only one I know with my beloved Sage 5120-4 ultra light sage spey 5 weight 12 footer. Tell him to get over here and give me an update on its performance to date, I have not bought it yet but the longing is still there.
Getting use to the longer spey rod is difficult at first but after 18 months now the 9 footers feel like toys in my hands and I keep trying to cast them with two hand techniques.
I guess I am a two hander now for sure ! LOL
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Problem I see witha two handed 15 ft rod is landing fish in tight quarters. Rod to long to beach a biggie in tight quarters... watched this circus in bc last fall from across the river.
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Even a 13 footer as I use, makes it tought to land fish in tight quarters. Lots of it out in GL, no big gravel bars or sand bars on most rivers, brush and trees are right down to the banks, overhanging trees, log jams, not many places at all to beach a big salmon or steelhead. I have lost my share due to this since using the spey rod, but its advantages out weigh the disadvantages in my opinion.
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Marty, I had similar problems. I guess there's a way to beach them. Have a speyrodder from another page that's supposed to show me how you do it. I know I had a spot just below willoughby on the Hoh. Hooked a nice 14# on a ledge in the canyon down there. Guess what? That 14' rod was giving me beef. Way the fish was sitting, could muscle it upstream thanks to a big tree. Didn't want to overstress the rod. So I actually took a chance and brought the rod back, dropped slack in the spey line, and actually handlined it in. LOL. Got it in though. Will be talking to him hopefully soon to figure out how he does it.
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Problem I see witha two handed 15 ft rod is landing fish in tight quarters. Rod to long to beach a biggie in tight quarters... watched this circus in bc last fall from across the river.
Bingo.  That's the one place were 'long rods' make things very interesting. 'Trick,' if you want to call it that, is to loosen up your drag (a lot!) and hopefully you'll have a spot in the tree line you can stick your rod and 'tail the fish.' The very loose drag gives you "options" (as slim as they may be) if the fish desides to make one more run when you step along side/behind him.
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From now on if I get them within 5 yards of me or the shore almost landed, and I end up losing them due to the darn long spey rod, I am counting them as landed. So I can avoid the 
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to land them, I use the "put rod butt on leg and lever them in" approach, but admittedly its a lot harder than with a singler hander. a lot.
before I sold my 7' 3 weight, I was doing spey casts with that, too. That rod was so soft that it could also take a #2 line. As long as you have belly outside the rod tip, it doesn't matter about what line you use. Just get that D-loop going and you're in business. Its great on small streams. and a WF is fine up to the running line, but after that its a different (futile) ballgame altogether.
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I'll have to try that out loco. Next time I feel up to taking the rod out again.
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Any more arrive since July ? Must be some.
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Of course there are more
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started almost 6 months ago. For what it's worth, then I was at 11-12 spey rods, now I'm at 14.
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14 ?
have you perfected the use of two spey rods at once yet ?
Remember me in the spey rod part of your estate, heck I will even pay for one of your old spey rods just to say I have one.
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Hal - did the "Green Monster" raise its ugly head?? Fred just enjoys spey rods - and testimony from others verifies he uses 'em all - and VERY well!
Besides, like the other Scottish pastime of golf, you wouldn't play the game with just a putter, would you??!!
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What "Green Monster" ?
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on the river. Usually have three rods rigged at all times; full floater, sinking head and one with one of the RIO sinking leaders. May only hit the river with two in hand, but (lazy?) it's a pain in the fanny to have to re-string a rod to go from a dry, to a sinker, etc.
Then you've got the 'target fish/time of the year' thing. With the spring kings, anything less than a heavy duty 9-11 wt rod would just be inviting a blow up.
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Whoops - sorry, Hal... Should have been "The Green-Eyed Monster"... (Another way of saying "jealousy"!"
Fred - that's the ONLY way to fish... Be ready for anything, anytime!
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Fred, I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one to take 3 rods or more for a days fishing.
I carry the same as you but usually have a rod with a shooting head set up for stripping a big collie dog across the pools.
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I always take three rods to the river along with about 10 reels and a shooting head/tip case. As my fishing buddy Oldman 1 always says in his bitching oldman voice, "why do you gotta take so many rods, you can only use one." You ever try to use one club on the golf course? I usually bring the cnd 15'6" Salar, 1409 Loop yellow and the cnd 13' 8" Skagit. With Jim and the weather, I never know what river we will end up fishing. I have four other spey rods that I use for trout or saltwater or as back up. I'm looking at a Bob Meiser 13' 10/11/12 wt rod for tossing fat heads (around 750 grains) on the salt. I only buy the cheapest reels I can find. Okuma integrity 10/11 and Tioga 12's for large lines like grand speys. The reason for cheap reels is with 30 or 40 lines, it gets too pricey to spool them all up at 400 to 600 hundred a pop. And I like to switch lines or shooting heads as fast as possible on the river.
When I'm spey fishing I'm drifting something with more control and with more time in the water than regular single hand rods. I have seven single hand rods I never use except for when my girlfriend wants to wet a line. I also keep spin gear for the kids, but I don't even know how to rig half of it.
That's me in a nutshell.
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God, I thought I needed an Extreme FF Makeover to reduce my ongear river tackle. Its not me that needs it its you fellows ! I take two rods and two reels. Only one rod at a time with me on the river with different spools for the reel if I want to switch a line.
But I can tell you for steelhead and salmon I virtually fishing the same line all of the time just with different sinking tips.
There is no way I can carry two rods on the rivers here and walk these narrow winding forest trails and banks that have vegetation right up to the water. We do not have the large open gravel bars like out west.
Recommend you fellows reduce your on river tackle and start your "Extreme FF Makeovers"
Geesh and I thought I was out of control with tackle on the river! LOL
To many flys yes I do carry too many but they are relatively light.
You fellows have just released a huge guilt burden from me I feel relived, that I am not the most fanatical when it comes to carrying tackle with me.
Thanks FF colleagues.
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For me it's not just being a fanatic, it's prudence. To many stories of guys getting ripped off while they are out on the river. I figure the best way to avoid losing my investment is to bring it with me. I use an Orvis flight bag thing. Holds three rods and then these compartments kind of saddle the rods. All of it can be carried on a shoulder strap. Very comfortable at any distance or terrain.
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