BobK
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OK, Hal...
Now you know you have been doing it all wrong for all these years. NOW GET OUT THERE AND BUY A COUPLE OF GOOD RODS! (A couple of good new reels, lines too!) Now you have the evidence to prove it, too! So get out there and help the economy by spending some of that moth-eaten money.
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Hey if anyone feels the need to pare down the arsenal, I'm only just starting to amass my weapons of mass distraction.
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You do seem to have a lot more instances of tackle thefts from fishermans cars out in the PNW. I probably should not say this but I have never in 45 years of FF had my car broken into and it has been at remote national forest parking areas many times over the last 23 years. Plus I have not heard of this happening much out here in GLs. Just does not happen much believe me. I can see why you carry more rods with you out in those wide open PNW rivers at least a lot them are unlike our smaller rivers out here.
You would not want to take a rod bag like that through our Michigan muck swamps and the winding steep clay bank trails through the heavy foliage.
I can tell you there are no wading fly fisherman that I ever see here with more than one fly rod on them. Drift boaters may have several I suppose but they are not carrying them around these river trails.
I will stick with my one rod and reel and couple of back up spools.
BG
P.S. Bobk as soon a the good spey sales start I will be in the market again. LOL
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BobK
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Hal - there are no good "sales". The only good ones are when they discontinue a rod or reel series, and have a "firesale" or "clearance". They don't come along often - about every year and a half, or so. And, you better have the bucks handy and available.
That's the story of the last rod and three different reels that I bought - at savings from 50% to 70%! You just gotta be PATIENT! (I picked up the rod and two of the reels before we became acquainted. Remember the Redington? I TOLD you to buy 2 of 'em!) I am STILL disgusted with myself for not buying at least 2 - maybe 3 - of the multiplier that I dearly love for my 6 weight - I should have bought 2 larger ones for Spey fishing, but hadn't started at the time. Out to 60 feet, they are faster than the large arbor! (and that was measured by me at the local football field.) And the Large Arbor is not that much better out to 90 feet. Boy - can you ever catch up and keep pressure on with a fish running straight at you!
Too bad the excellent multipliers are out of fashion - a good one is worth its weight in gold!
BobK  
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Yeah I can vouch for all he carries. It's like moving day at a sporting goods store. But he's a big guy and can tote it all. I can only afford one rod and reel.(fixed income). So if I need a different line or tip my buddy comes through for me. Thinking about another rod but then It has to have line and a reel to go with it so it's just in the thinking mode still. But it's true,all that he said.
I just wish he'd catch something to justify all the money's he's spent. But that's why it's called fishing and not catching.
Jim
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Catch Something? That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Besides, you saw me bring at least 25 Salmon to hand and I don't know of anytime you had to wash fish slim off your hands. But that's OK Jim, when these rivers start to even coming close to being in shape, I'm going march your ass all over the Cascades. And if you slow down and start complaining, I'm going to buy a wheel-barrel and carry your butt until you get a damn steelhead. Infact, what are you doing Tuesday?
Matt
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LOL Matt. I'm gonna buy a video camera and tag along on this expedition. 
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Black_Ghost
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Yeah I want to see some pictures of this steelhead oydssey expedition myself.
BG
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BobK
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Hey, guys, quit ganging up on ol' Jim. I'll bet he just catches more than his share - he just doesn't brag about it!
BobK
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Yeah Bob. And Matt I didn't se you catch that many fish. I was usually tired from the long walk to the river bar and bagged earily. But I did get a few pictures of you catching A fish on the river this summer.Lets see,four Humpies that you got smoked,one out of the sound. No I can't say 25 fish. I think that I just shot down my ride for the next three years for these statements.
No Bob,my catching rates really suck right now. I don't even know what it feels like having a fish on the end of my line. The last fish that I can remember was the Humpy I hooked on the Skagit way before we had these last few floods. About two months ago.
Jim
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BobK
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Too bad, Jim. We're having a bad year here as well - and I don't know why. The weather and water levels have been good (higher than the normal drought conditions we have suffered through the past few years), but the fish just haven't been running. I just happened to catch a couple of days when they were running good, and that was pure chance. Yet, the next day, it seemed like it was done. The fish had all run upstream, and even there, they just had lockjaw.
I do know the lake (Ontario) is having problems providing adequate food. There are two reasons - one is the all the garbage species the ocean-going ships brought in from Eurasia. The second reason is the water has less nutrients in it from all of the anti-pollution efforts. Sounds crazy, but it is a fact. (Even the fisheries biologists admit it.) Sometimes, you have to be careful what you wish for - you just may get it.
Anyway, hope things improve - for both of us.
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Sure Bobk, "Were having a bad year here as well" 
Guess all those fly fishing magazine articles about Lake Ontario are wrong after all.
BG
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BobK
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Hal, since the lakes are all interconnected, GUESS WHAT???
You, too, will soon be "enjoying" the same thing.
BobK
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I`m new to the list, but from July until Jan you will sind me stumbling around in the Deschutes Spey rod in hand.
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Skilly
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I have the CND 1308 been fishing it for about 3 months. I really like this rod. As soon as I can get my hands on one I will have one of the new Steelhead Specialists.Talked to Steve at COO today and he will be ordering me one. I`m sold on this Spey stuff.
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Welcome aboard Skilly. I'm going to be checking the CND's when I'm back to using the speys again. Sold mine off due to injury. But still want my old Sage 9140-3 back. Maybe I'll find one of the old ones again.
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The CND 1308 was nice I used at the Michigan spey clave this year, however I am not sold on it and am looking at other worthy candidates in the same price range. Lets just say its still on my candidate list for 8/9 weight 13 footer.
How is casting heavy sink tips ? I only had a floater on when casting it which was not a true test since 90% of the time I am using sink tips.
BG
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I like it for casting the tips. I havent tried it with the compensator yet. With the 789 Windcutter and the upgrade I can easily cast to the running line. I have been trying to keep about 1 ft of the head in the rod for mending. With a short leader this gives me about a 70 ft fishing range. I can cast it farther, but have a hard time mending the running line so I stick with the head just in the rod.
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Thanks, 70 foot is about the maximum cast I would need to make out here in Gls and try and maintain a controllable mend and drift. Only a few rivers that are wide here, my definition of wide being over 30 yards (90 feet).
Good rod for the money how do you like its cosmetics, I was not impressed with that but I guess thats because I was casting twice as expensive Sages alternately with it.
Boy those are nice, if I win the lottery will have to get one. (Two kids in college, one in HS, two siberian huskies, four cars, and A PRINCESS to support, etc...) LOL
I guess I should not be laughing right ?  
Any body seen these new Lamiglass spey rods yet, they look interesting checked out their web site.
BG
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Do you have the Expert or the Custom 1308. I've been looking at the Expert but would like to have the Custom.
Jim
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They're cracker jack. Had a chance to use two different models at the Sandy River Spey 'Clave. Light as a feather, and could really zing line.
One, if not both, were 6 section rods! If you need 'portability' these could be your babies.
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Black_Ghost
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Really 6 section rods isn't that uncommon even for spey rods.
BG
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I am fishing the custom right now. I had wanted to get the
steelhad specialist but being retired it is out of my budget.
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I feel your pain. I'm retired also so living on a fixed income is not a good way to go. But you can't be rich a good looking also so I settled for the good looking thing. But I'm trying to work out a deal so maybe it will be a custom after all.
Jim
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And Hal thinks "Times are Tough" now! Wait 'till he leaves that corporate job and retires. Then he will settle on a "fixed income" and REALLY change his lifestyle!
The other joys include paying quarterly Estimated Income Tax, and the fun of the government's "Double Taxation" on certain social security benefits!
Then, maybe he won't have so much "spare time"! I am sure he will have fun with the "princess" to keep an eye on him... every second of the day,... 24/7! And THERE GO his "weekly buying of materials" expeditions... she will be able to REALLY keep her eye on both him and the "purse strings"! New rods? FORGET IT! Time and expense (for food, gas, etc.) for a fishing trip? FORGET IT! Steelheading? FORGET IT!
And with the government forcing you into Medicare at age 65, and trying to take over prescription drugs, whether you want them to or not, ANOTHER royal screwing of the populus is at hand! Oh, boy! Now we get to deal with BUREAUCRATS! (Bet THEY and the POLITICIANS are exempted with their fat government plans!)
You've got a lot of interesting surprises in store, Hal!
BobK
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"How many spey rod fly fishers are there here ?"
Now it has wandered into U.S. retirement woes ! This is way off topic and I still don't know how many spey rod fly fishers are here yet this post leads the board with 600+ views and replies.
I can see I am going to have take a poll Jerry may need your help to figure it out. Need to know how many spey brethren are here now.
Hey Bobk, I'm going to the fly shop today (always on Thursdays) for the small under the princesse's radar screen cash fly materials purchases, plus as a bonus, tonight is the second Winter Fly Jam, two hours of secret Michigan and Wisconsin secret guide steelhead flies. Woo hoo, if your nice online to me I may share visually here, if not I may forget to. LOL
 
BG
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- and now, he adds "BRIBERY" and "THREATS" to the forum. Boy, talk about a certain "lack of morality"!  
BobK
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BobK, that's those high dry fly morals or is that high and dry morals? LOL
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Fred, please don't forget our international members you know whom.
Well its off to the secret GL's guides steelhead fly tying jam tonight, may have to sign a non disclosure agreement before it, these flys are so secret per my fly shop owner.
LOL
BG
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Sounds like you'll need hip waders just to slog past the front door, Hal... Ever think that if the fly is a secret, it may be because nobody ever caught a fish on it?
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