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 Time to get off the couch boys and girls they just shutdown the Wynoochee and satsop to sled boats starting dec 2005. Needlees to say im a little upset and so should you be. Witch River is next. I normaly dont get political but in this case I am hopping on the box drift boaters slip this one buy us kepping it qwuite if you would like to know more you should call me. This is just a start of a nouther resorce tak'n from the sportsman
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 GOOD glad to hear that. Neither river needs sleds on them. I'm all for it! The chehalis can have all the sleds..
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Don, is this a done deal or just a proposal? Being a driftboat guy myself, I can understand the reasoning. Some folks blast through there without consideration for others. But shutting it down to all sleds may be a bit extreme. Maybe a boat size and HP max would be more appropriate, since we can't all seem to play nicely with others. 
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Timber, me thinks you have an ulterior motive since you got a new DB.  Just giving you a hard time. If some of the sled guys would not act like they are at the Indy 500 I think we could all get along. Just my opinion.
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This is just a proposal at this point. On the Satsop they are proposing to close from the confluence of west and east branch upstream on the east branch. I don't have a problem with this and scientifically/biologically I don't think its beatable, both chum and Kings spawn in this section of river and I think that will sway the commissions head. Now there is a matter of some contradicting wording on the Satsop closure and I have already left a message for Evan Jacoby who is WDFW's legal beagle to make sure that it just reads from the confluence upstream. As for the Wynoochee, they are proposing no sleds from the diversion dam upstream. Once again I don't have a problem with this, no confusing language on this one so it is pretty straight forward.
What I am having trouble with is this: Where does Timber stand on all of this....just kidding Timo
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I think banning sleds on the sop and nooch all together is a bit extreme, especially since I just got a sled I think they should impose rather a regulation on where the sleds can be and where they can't be ;via nooch all sleds to be below the intake, sop below the east fork.
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So Timber, when they decide to ban driftboats, will you feel the same way? 
This one is being approached on two fronts I think? WDFW proposal AND a county ban? Good luck stopping them this time!
I am in favor of this if we can ban bankies at Blue Creek/Cowlitz area. You know, those bankies that toss lead at sleds! Maybe we need a regulation banning bank fishing within a half mile of any boat launch. 
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I think it is about time. From the diversion dam down and the forks down sounds like a good proposal, but.... who is going to be out there enforcing it? It will be interesting to see 1) if this goes through and 2) if it really means anything.
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Excuse me while I'm silly. 
Cool, which rivers are they going to close to driftboaters? Which rivers are they going to close to bank fishing? Both driftboaters and bank fisherman cause problems for me when I'm using my sled. Those darn driftboaters pulling plugs really clog up the navigation
routes. Of course, bank fisherman think they own their spot because it is the only spot they can get to.
How about we make a minimum hp river too? I think the cowlitz and snohomish should be minimum 200 hp. That would make sure that the boats out there are going the same speed, and would be minimally effected by a sled wake. I wouldn't have to worry about the jonboats with 3 inches of free board anchored in the middle of the river.
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jimh, A question.....
My sportjet is a 175, but my understanding is the head is off a 200. Would my boat be qualified? It has plenty of umph and can go 45 mph.
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I don't like the slippery slope we're standing on here........but it just goes to show ya. If sled pilots don't use their noggins (like having a sled as high as Schaeffer creek on the Nooch) then the WDFW and county are gonna step in.
I think both cutoff points are reasonable, but I just don't like rules like this in the first place.
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i am with timber. there isnt a problem with driftboats cuz drift boats dont cause problems. i say ban em on the sky as well above a certain point. if sled drivers had any manners on the river, this conversation wouldnt be happening. if you dont like rivers being banned for sleds then tell your buddies with sleds to slow the hell down and practice some river courtesy. personally i dont ever want to see a sled again on a smaller river
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AuntyM we'll have to make allowances for sportjets, I suppose.
Lupo, you may not think about it, but driftboats do cause problems for sleds. It just depends on how you look at the scenario. Sleds don't generally care if you go by them, but many driftboats do.
That being said, I avoid competition from bank fisherman or driftboats when I'm in my sled. Just because I can go up that section of the river doesn't mean that I should...or want to.
I really can't think of any reason why I'd want to go up a crowded river in a sled, period! Finally, if those rivers are really that crowded, banning sleds won't fix it. They'll just buy pontoons, or kayaks, or ????. Most people who can buy a sled won't have a problem buying another boat to cause problems with. They'll be the ones anchored in the middle of the slot that you want to pull plugs through, or dragging their anchors!
My solution even if I'm in a drift boat or pontoon boat is just go where others don't want to go.
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I don't care if you go by me but when your in the East fork and you almost hit my boat because you can't come off step and I'm going through the tail out and can't really BEACH the boat then I have a problem. I personally say STAY ON STEP if you go by me. But coming down from 7400 or the east fork can get a bit skinny. Just make sure you smile as you barrel into my boat.
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if sled drivers had any manners on the river, this conversation wouldnt be happening
Plenty of us sled owners have manners. What we need more of around here is members with posting manners.
Slow down? Not a chance. 
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OK gang, got a phone call from Evan Jacoby this afternoon so here is what I know.
The state cannot ban the use of sleds. The proposal reads something like this; no fishing from a boat with internal combustion engine (Timber I'll bet a dollar to a donut that rules you out even with your driftboat  Just kidding)So you can still run your sleds above the defined areas you just can't fish from them. Now however, Aunty is right, the county can ban the use period. The state is hoping that the Grays Harbor County Commissioners would get off their dime and make a decision on this. To throw another fly in the ointment, this proposal as it has been presented is about access and safety, not about rippin up reds...not at this time anyway. Its an interesting game where the players on the same team (sportfisherman) compete against each other. Meanwhile we can't get enough sportfisherman out to clip Kings so that we have 100% clipped...or many other things.
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I for one love the idea. I have floated both these rivers many times and it would be a much calmer place to fish, you wouldn't have to worry about a sled coming around a corner and wiping you out, or trying to push you out of a whole. I don't have a drift boat nor a sled, but I would enjoy fishing these rivers without sleds. Doc if you ever need help with clipping fish count me in, I would be glad to help. I know quite a few people who would love to see this go through.
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In my experience 80% of sled pilots destroy the river for everybody. My main complaints:
1. This summer they started to construct a new bridge in the town of Rogue River. The bridge passage was supposed to be a "no wake" zone and is about 15 feet wide during contruction. I'm fishing under the bridge and a jet boat doing at least 40 mph almost hit me. As I scrambled out of the way and fell in the water they laughed. The slowest boat through is probably only doing 30.
2. They will park off of Evans Creek, and wait until they hooked a 10 lb jack salmon. Being such a large fish, they have to pull up anchor and free drift their 22 foot sled and expect the drift boats to move, so they can chase that monster down.
3. They have discovered how gasoline, motor oil and noise is a fish attractant, and how great pulling K15 Kwik fish is for salmon is when then water is 60 degrees, and back those sleds right down through the drift.
But other than that, I love sleds.
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Lupo said:
there isnt a problem with driftboats cuz drift boats dont cause problems. if sled drivers had any manners on the river, this conversation wouldnt be happening. if you dont like rivers being banned for sleds then tell your buddies with sleds to slow the hell down and practice some river courtesy.
Lupo,
Whats up with all the stereotypes? Is that ALL sled drivers causing problems or is it the few you've run in to? If its all of them, then Im here to tell you that ALL driftboats cause problems, just the other day on the Satsop I watched not 1, not 2, but 3 driftboats in a row pull plugs right through the hole I was actively fishing. The last one even anchored in the hole, directly in my line of casting, and let the plugs sit there. How's that for manners? Well at least they weren't going fast
Really, Im just kidding about the ALL driftboats thing. I have several friends with driftboats and enjoy fishing out of all of them. On the flip side I own a sled and have several friends with sleds. I enjoy fishing out of them too. Each has its place and common sense almost always is the rule of thumb, some people just lack it...whether in a sled or a db.
BTW, I would support a no sled ban in the areas described (E Fork of the sop and above diversion on the nooch).
RL
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WILD OUTDOORSMAN said:
I normaly dont get political but in this case I am hopping on the box
Well its about time.
I love watching apathetic's getting their panties all knotted up over issues that finally affect them.
You get little sympathy from me! Get involved and stay involved.
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Now is that any boat with an internal combustion engine on it? Or could you still possibly fish from a sled using an electric motor instead of the kicker?
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sounds like to me you can use an electric jason.
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What Rocklizard said...
Hey RL was the boat that posted up on your hole a green woody? He's a Satsop gem
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I am so happy!!! Its about time!
Flog as you want but I will stick by the no sled gig.. 
Doc I would venture to say I would never see you on either river..
By the way do you ever fish cuz I never see you?????
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DR,
No it wasnt the infamous green woody, but Ive heard the stories. The crappiest part about the whole thing was when the last dude anchored up. I sat there with my rod outta the water just starring at them hinting that they just corked the sh*t outta me, then the dude on the oars tells me "dont worry we'll be outta your way in just a few minutes" 
I countered with "thats ok I needed to take a break anyway"
Each type of fishing has its place, sleds dont belong on ultra skinny db water (e fork), db's have no place in one of the few accessible bank spots left on the sop.
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I think that from the mouth of the nooch to the corner above black creek sleds should be aloud, and from the mouth of the Satsop to Bingham corner sleds should be aloud. But from my experience the rivers are to narrow to handle bigger boats any where in between. I have fished these rivers for many years now and have seen the problems that the sleds have caused. I don't think sleds should be off the river completely, just a little curtesy for the drifters.
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Sounds about right Timber. If I were to ever put my sled in the Sop I dont think I would run much higher than W Fork.
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From what I've heard they ...wdfw...can't stop someone from running a sled up the EF Soppy or all the way to Schaefer on the Nooch. They can prevent someone from fishing out of a sled while it's motor is running. Personally I'm with Timber on where the cutoff lines should be....but also hate to see it happen.
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TM, who me? What did I say that led you to believe that I'm not courteous? Actually, I'm courteous to a fault which is why I spend so much time avoiding other boats or bank fisherman. It is a lot of work to be courteous.  I'd rather fish than compete for the water.
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