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Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report
      #99639 - 02/06/04 07:17 PM

NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
February 6, 2004
Contact: Craig Bartlett, (360) 902-2259

Commission adopts two-year moratorium
on wild steelhead retention statewide

OLYMPIA - The Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission today adopted new sportfishing rules for the 2004-05 season that include a two-year moratorium on retaining any wild steelhead caught in state waters.

The moratorium, adopted on a 5-3 vote, will require anglers to release any steelhead caught from April 1, 2004 to March 31, 2006 that is not marked as a hatchery fish by a missing adipose fin and a healed scar.

Drawing from a list of 463 proposed changes - 336 of them submitted by the public - the commission also adopted new handling requirements for releasing salmon and steelhead that cannot be retained, additional protection for Columbia River sturgeon and fixed starting dates for recreational crab fishing.

Commissioners also declined to take action on several proposals, including one to ban treble hooks in saltwater fisheries and another to prohibit the use of motorized vessels on the Satsop and Wynoochee Rivers.

Commissioner R.P. Van Gytenbeek of Seattle initiated the discussion about requiring the release of wild steelhead by calling for a permanent ban on wild steelhead retention. When that motion failed, the commission considered and rejected the idea of a six-year moratorium before scaling it back to two years.

"In this case, I think a half a loaf is better than no loaf at all," Van Gytenbeek said. "A lot of people in this state are concerned about the decline of our wild steelhead stocks and I think a moratorium gets us started down the right path."

Commission Chair Will Roehl of Bellingham did not share that view, noting that the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) is currently working on a new comprehensive plan for steelhead management, tailored to specific stocks.

"I can't support banning retention of wild steelhead on rivers where stocks are healthy and returns are strong," Roehl said. "I don't think this broad-brush action is warranted, but that appears to be the will of commission."

When releasing steelhead or salmon that cannot be retained under state law, anglers will have to follow new handling procedures approved today by the commission. Measures adopted by the commission prohibit completely removing salmon or steelhead caught in lakes or streams from the water or pulling them into a boat in Puget Sound prior to release.

To provide greater protection for Columbia River sturgeon, the commission extended the closed area below Bonneville Dam approximately two miles downstream to Marker 85 from May 1 to July 31. All sturgeon fishing - whether from a boat or from the bank - will be prohibited in the expanded closure area, where the fish tend to congregate.

In addition, the annual harvest of sturgeon for personal use was reduced from 10 fish to five statewide, and sturgeon seasons recently developed in conjunction with Oregon were adopted as permanent rules for the 2004-05 season.

Recreational crabbers, meanwhile, can expect greater certainty in the timing of their seasons in the coming year. For the first time since 2000, the commission set opening dates for each marine area rather than relying on tests to determine when the crab have finished their molt.

Improved data on molting periods provided by WDFW allowed the commission to set opening dates this year for crab fisheries in all 13 marine areas of Puget Sound and the Washington coast, Roehl said.

"We're pleased that we've reached this point," Roehl said. "Now we have the data we need to protect the resource, while allowing people to plan their vacations."

In other matters the commission:

· Clarified rules prohibiting snagging, making it illegal to hook and retain a fish (other than forage fish) to the rear of its gill plate.
· Adopted a three-month catch-and-release fishery for trout and other gamefish on the Cedar River in King County.
· Adopted permanent regulations banning retention of canary rockfish and prohibited spearfishing for any species of rockfish.
· Set new daily hours (9 .m. to 1 p.m. on days open to shrimp fishing) for designated Puget Sound shrimp districts such as Port Angeles Harbor and Discovery bay. It also extended the Port Townsend Shrimp District north of the Port Townsend ship canal to include Kilisut Harbor.
· Extended the Octopus Hole Conservation Area in Hood Canal to include the adjacent tidelands.
· Set new hours for harvesting clams and oysters on a number of beaches and set new bag limits and seasons for rivers and lakes throughout the state.

These and other measures adopted by the commission will appear in WDFW's 2004-05 Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Otto]
      #99641 - 02/06/04 07:25 PM

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!! Looks like WDFW finally listened for once!

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Fishingjunky15]
      #99643 - 02/06/04 07:34 PM

Great news - made my night!!!!

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Eddie]
      #99649 - 02/06/04 08:17 PM

I like it. It's nice to see some conservative measures. Now that sport anglers are required to release natives it will give us some high ground to stand on when pointing the finger at other user groups who keep them.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: cupo]
      #99652 - 02/06/04 09:06 PM


This is the most biased and idiotic decision the commission has ever made.

It is resource allocation based upon political favoritism and has no basis in conservation reality. There is nothing to indicate that over harvest has caused the current declines of the inland steelhead stocks. Those rivers where no harvest and in some cases no fishing is allowed have equally reflected the current steelhead cycles.

The coastal stocks have been showing a trend towards increasing numbers despite somewhat extreme harvest pressure.

They have lied and blindsided us with their public statement that the total ban on steelhead harvest would not be considered this rule cycle.

Washington and Idaho are now the only two places in the Pacific Northwest with a total prohibition on wild steelhead harvest including stocks with adult returns as much as twice that required for spawning escapement.

Thanks to the scumbags in the Wild Steelhead Coalition I will never again purchase another fishing license in this state!

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Plunker]
      #99678 - 02/07/04 05:04 AM

Great news!


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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: spoontosser]
      #99686 - 02/07/04 06:26 AM

Plunker

Oregon also is generally a wild release State with only a few exceptions where wild steelhead harvest is extreemly limited... 1 per day / 5 per year and most of those were implimented only after harvest was stopped and the wild numbers improved. Until this year it was only allowed in two rivers in the whole state.
Now that our wild numbers have improved so much we are slowly adding more streams to harvest


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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: POS Clerk]
      #99697 - 02/07/04 08:54 AM

Plunker,
This is great news for the steelhead!
You should look at the numbers before you talk numbers!
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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: H2H]
      #99700 - 02/07/04 10:12 AM

On the surface this sounds like good news... We will see how sharp the blade is on the other side of the sword.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Marty]
      #99704 - 02/07/04 10:45 AM



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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Chromeo]
      #99709 - 02/07/04 11:10 AM

Phone: 360-902-2267
commission@dfw.wa.gov

http://wdfw.wa.gov/com/comintro.htm

Commission members are hand picked by the Governor.

Commission Members:

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Will Roehl, Chair ~ Voted Against proposal

Will Roehl was first appointed to the Commission in July 1997 and was reappointed to a six-year term in January 2003. Roehl served as vice chair from January 2001 until he was elected chair in January 2003. He is an attorney with a commercial practice in Bellingham. He and a brother own a customs brokerage business that facilitates importation/ exportation of chemical, petroleum, fish and forest products. He is co-owner of a business based in Eugene, Oregon. He attended Whitman College (B.A. Economics) and the University of Puget Sound School of Law. He held elective office in Whatcom County, including service on a 1978 Board of Freeholders and 11 years as a member of the Whatcom Co. Council. He has served on boards of numerous non-profit organizations and devoted time to various civic efforts. He is committed to restoring Washington's salmon runs while avoiding conflicts between commercial and recreational fishers. Roehl and his wife Kelli Linville live in Bellingham. (Roehl's current term expires in December 2008.)

Ron Ozment, Vice-Chair ~ Voted Against proposal

Ron Ozment was appointed to the Commission in September 2001 to serve a six-year term and was elected vice chair in January 2003. He is a dairy producer and cattle breeder who owns and operates the 200-acre Riviera Jersey Farm north of Cathlamet. Ozment served as Wahkiakum County Commissioner from 1989 through 2000 and, while holding that office, was the County's representative on the Lower Columbia Fish Recovery Board, the Water Resource Inventory Areas 25/26 Board, the Southwest Clean Air Agency, and the Cowlitz/ Wahkiakum Council of Governments. He also is a former member and chair of the Wahkiakum County Planning Commission and a former member of the U.S. Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Committee and the U.S. Farm Home Administration's (now the Rural Development Administration) Agricultural and Housing Loan Eligibility Committee serving Wahkiakum, Cowlitz, Clark, and Skamania counties. Ozment and his wife Anne live in Cathlamet. They have three children and six grandchildren. (Ozment's current term expires in December 2006.)

Russ Cahill ~ Voted For proposal

Russ Cahill was appointed to the Commission in April 1998 to fill a five-year vacancy and in December 1999 he was reassigned to fill a one-year vacancy. He was reappointed to a six-year term in September 2001. He served as vice chairman from January 1999 until he was elected chair in January 2001 for a two year term. He retired in 1997 after 40 years of work, mostly in the fields of natural resources, parks, and law enforcement. He has been a trustee and board chairman of the Washington Nature Conservancy and a trustee of the National Parks and Conservation Association. He has served on the boards of several Washington State and local conservation organizations. An avid fisherman, hiker, and bird watcher, he has walked, cross-country skied, and paddled over most of the state. Cahill and his wife Narda Pierce live in Olympia. He has three children and four grandchildren. (Cahill's current term expires in December 2006.)

John A. Hunter IV ~ Trying to find voting record for John.

John was appointed to the Commission in July 2003 to serve a six-year term. John brings both private industry and public service experience to the Commission. In the private sector, John’s BA in Economics and Business led to a thirty plus year career in sales/marketing and distribution management focused on the post harvest needs of the tree fruit industry in the Pacific Northwest. During his past fifteen years public service involvement, John has served as Councilman and Mayor of the City of Cashmere, and as Chelan County Commissioner. John has served as a volunteer and on the board of directors of numerous private and public entities involved with improving our social, economic, and environmental living conditions in Washington. John is committed to a balanced approach in the maintenance and enhancement of our natural resources for the enjoyment and appreciation of all Washingtonians. John and his wife, Renee, have an empty nest as their two children and two foster daughters now make their homes in various locations within Washington State. (Hunter’s current term expires in December 2008.)

Lisa Pelly ~ Voted For Proposal

Lisa Pelly was appointed to the Commission in January 1994 to serve a five-year term. She served as vice chair from January 1996 to January 1997. She served as chair from January 1997 to January 1999, the first woman to serve in that position. She was reappointed to a six-year term in February 1999. A lifelong resident of Washington, she has a deep and passionate commitment to the state and the protection of its natural resources. She serves on the board of directors for Washington Conservation Voters, Farming and the Environment and the Washington Wildlife and Recreation Coalition and is the founder and past president of the Northwest Women Flyfishers. She enjoys spending time outdoors, hiking and fishing. Pelly lives on Bainbridge Island. (Pelly's current term expires in December 2004).

Fred Shiosaki ~ Trying to find voting record for Fred.

Fred Shiosaki was appointed to the Commission in February 1999 to serve a six-year term. He was a member of the all Japanese-American 442nd Infantry Regiment. He graduated from Gonzaga University in Chemistry and attended the University of Washington Graduate School. After working as the Spokane City Chemist, he set up the Spokane County Air Pollution Control Authority and served as its Director and Control Officer for 11 years. In 1978, he was hired to manage the Environmental Affairs
Department for the Washington Water Power Company and retired from there in 1989. For more than eight years he was a member of the Washington Ecological Commission and served as its chair for seven years. His professional applications have been the Air Pollution Control Association and the Northwest Electric Light and Power Association. He is a member of the Exchange Club of Downtown Spokane, Trout Unlimited, Disabled American Veterans, and the Inland Empire Fly Fishing Club. He has been a flyfisher for more than 30 years and is involved in his clubs' educational and conservation programs. In the recent past, he trained springer spaniels and hunted birds. Shiosaki and his wife Lily live in Spokane. They have a son, Michael and daughter, Nancy. (Shiosaki's current term expires in December 2004.)

Bob Tuck ~ Voted For Proposal

Bob Tuck was appointed to the Commission in April 1998 to fill a two-year vacancy and reappointed to a six-year term in September 2001. He is a private consultant, providing technical and program assistance on a variety of fisheries, habitat, and water activities and projects in Washington and Oregon. He also provides technical coordination and assistance for an environmental education program involving numerous school districts in Central Washington. Tuck and his wife Lynn live in Selah. (Tuck's current term expires in December 2006.)

R.P. "Van" Van Gytenbeek ~ Voted For Proposal

Van Van Gytenbeek was appointed to the Commission in February 1999 to serve a six- year term. He is the publisher of Fly Fishing in Salt Waters magazine in Seattle. He has more than 30 years of management experience in the private sector, is a retired artillery captain, and has authored two books on trout and streamside conservation. He is the former executive director of Trout Unlimited and has held various board or board memberships in a number of recreational organizations, including the International Fly Fishers Federation, American Museum of Fly Fishing, the American League of Anglers, and the Trout and Salmon Foundation. Van Gytenbeek and his wife Elizabeth live in Seattle. They have three children and one grandchild. (Van Gytenbeek's current term expires in December 2004.)



Mandatory statewide catch and release of wild steelhead never went through the rule change process, sport fisherman were blind sided. Following is the 2004 rule change proposals:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/fish/regs/proposals/2004proposals.pdf

This rule change was essentially snuck in, the public never had the opportunity to review or address the rule change.

This is a feel good policy that has no scientific data to back it up. The rule change unfairly targets sport fisherman while continuing to allow tribal and commercial fisherman to kill wild steelhead statewide.

A number of sport fishing groups were working to push this through and support this policy. I have identified two groups so far.

· Wild Steelhead Coalition

· Trout Unlimited

I urge everyone to speak up regarding this issue and work towards getting this rule change overturned.


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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Chromeo]
      #99710 - 02/07/04 11:12 AM

Too bad about the Satsop/Wynoochee ban. It would have been a good step toward legislating a little common sense. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Bossman]
      #99713 - 02/07/04 11:34 AM

I agree with Marty, let's time will tell if this was a good thing!

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      #99716 - 02/07/04 11:42 AM

Hmmm? I think not. Depends on foregone opportunity thing.

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      #99717 - 02/07/04 11:57 AM

I am not happy with how it was backdoored into the commission and yes I am very concerned with foregone opportunity. This was done without assurances from the tribes they won't harvest "the excess".
But on another note the fishing has declined and protectionism is a good thing. But is this the correct legal and political choice. Personally I don't think it is for the Forks area rivers. Using blanket management is a huge leap of faith.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Marty]
      #99718 - 02/07/04 12:08 PM

Yea Marty I was shocked to hear about this yesterday. I too am for protecting our wild fish, but this is not the way to do it.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: BP]
      #99719 - 02/07/04 12:27 PM

Really Bruce? Well, why don't you explain to this board how it SHOULD be done? Please share with us what you and your organization is doing to help recover wild steelhead?

Quite possibly, this was done to placate the groups who've been pressuring the commission. If that's what it takes to get positive changes, so be it. WSC is not a group of wacko extremists. These are ordinary fishermen (and NOT just elitist fly guys) worrying about 20 years of decline and trying to prevent it.

WSC, I salute you.



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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: AuntyM]
      #99721 - 02/07/04 12:37 PM

How about this:

In combination with the mandatory statewide release of wild steelhead, we also shut down all steelhead hatcheries? Everyone knows that hatchery steelhead compete with wild fish right? We could also just close the rivers completely to fishing, that would definatly help right? Why stop at the statewide release? Sport fisherman should just quit fishing, then the fish would certainly rebound right? Think again, sport fishing is NOT the problem here!


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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: AuntyM]
      #99722 - 02/07/04 12:39 PM

You said it Aunty,

I have been a member of the WSC since the beginning. I have not gone to the meeting's or gone to other imoportant events mostly because I have lived way out in the sticks and now almost in Idaho, but believe me for that I feel guilty. I do feel good I support a group that has helped to get this action and believe me, I will be more involved when I get back to that side of the mountians.


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      #99724 - 02/07/04 12:47 PM

OK, just got back from some fishing, didn't catch any, native or hatchery so I guess I haven't offended anyone here. Let me see if I can respond to a variety of posts here.

In looking at the declining resource of anadromous fish there is no magic bullet I believe. There are the 4 H's however.

Hydro - This one is pretty obvious on the Columbia, Snake, Skagit, Cowlitz and even some smaller rivers like the Green, Pilchuck, Skookumchuck, etc. There certainly does not seem to be the political will to tackle this issue head on and quite frankly I'm not totally convinced that the price of removal is justified. But, there is no question that Dams have had a terrible impact on the resource.

Hatcheries - Mainly in place for two reasons - Mitigation for loss of spawning habitat due to Hydro/other factors and mitigation for over harvest. This is an area that I believe we can find some common ground on, there are hatchery programs (Long Live the Kings come to mind) that do not carry the negative impact on wild fish that other hatcheries do. I think we can work on this one.

Habitat - In my mind, the biggest obstacle to recovery. We have removed habitat through dams, we have spoiled habitat through development. With this issue we run right smack dab into the face of private property rights. This is the one that will require the most education and probably be the most expensive if we can solve it.

Which brings us to the 4th H - Harvest. As Richard Nixon used to say, "Let me perfectly clear about this". I believe that the tribal harvest of steelhead serves virtually no useful purpose to the tribes, and certainly has a terrible and negative impact on the resource. I believe that sports harvest of wild steelhead serves virtually no useful purpose to the sportfishing community and certainly has a terrible and negative impact on the resource. For the next two years, if we as individuals and as a community obey the regulation, we have 1/2 of the equation in hand. Now is time to go after the other 1/2. Foregone opportunity?? As GW says, Bring it on - I would love to see the courts rule on this so that it won't continue as the bogeyman that we make it out to be. If the courts rule that foregone opportunity is a legitimate concept, so be it - we have to deal with it. If the courts throw out the idea, then we can go forward without the threat. My comments about tribal fishing have always been offered from the viewpoint that if we point fingers only at the tribes without acknowledging our portion of the responsibility, we have no credibility. That's why it disturbs me so when I see BP write that the sportfishing community is not the problem. See above, the sportsfishing community is not the problem but we are part of the problem. As long as we don't acknowledge that, we bring nothing to the negotiation table except hypocrisy and we will never get anything done. As long as folks don't punch their cards properly, any contention that the tribal fishery reports are bogus boomerang back on us. It's so easy to blame everyone else - its really about personal responsibility isn't it?

I believe that we need to find a way of mitigating the impact of the tribal fisheries on the wild fish. Salmo had an idea on PP a while back of harvesting the fish from holding ponds at the dams - that kind of creativity is refreshing. Personally, I would love to see fish wheels/traps come back into use for the tribal harvest as the impact on the wild fish is much less. Can we buy the fishing rights from the tribes? This is America - seemingly everything is for sale so it might be possible. What I know will not work is to try and rewrite the Court decisions that have affirmed Boldt. That really is a non starter. I know that blaming the tribes without accepting our responsibility and working on the other impacts is also a non starter. However, creative, passionate minds came up with many brilliant human achievements - I believe we can do this too. With this decision, I think we can come to the table with credibility and negotiate with our heads high.

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Eddie]
      #99729 - 02/07/04 01:11 PM

I give up...

Good luck in your battles fighting the tribes and commercials. My steelhead gear is officially retired and I will join you in your efforts to save our wild fish by supporting a total ban on sportfishing for steelhead and closing our hatcheries.


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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: BP]
      #99732 - 02/07/04 01:37 PM

Right On!!!! Hopefully we can begin to put pressure on the tribes to stop harvesting. I wounder what it would cost the state?

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: FishrofMn]
      #99734 - 02/07/04 02:19 PM

why should the tribes stop harvesting? Our bios and the tribes say there escapements are going up on the op rivers. We don't have a leg to stand on according to the courts and now we will see how the tribe participates in good faith.

Alls this did is increase there netting days and for one who has fished behind them .... This is not a good thing!!

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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Marty]
      #99740 - 02/07/04 03:17 PM

If anyone thinks that the tribes or commercials will quit harvesting they are on drugs.

Save our fish! Quit fishing and close the hatcheries! It's the only way.. Sport fisherman took in the rear and some of them are smiling about it. Unreal..


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Re: Hot off the Press-Todays Commission Report new [Re: Marty]
      #99741 - 02/07/04 03:17 PM

I would like to think that for most of us the thrill of fishing or steelheading is catching the fish, not killing it. How many fish do we need to stack in our freezers or smokers anyway. It is tough to accept broad brush aggressive steps , however it may prove that this action was just what we needed. We can still go out and freeze our hinies off in pursuit of that sweet ring of our line as it rips off of our reels . Just let them live another day and perhaps help the fisherey grow.

Just my thoughts,

Paul


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