I'm fortunate that my job enables me to get out mid-week. I don't think I've ever hit it on a weekend...at least that I can remember. Fishhog, I'm with ya man, "The river I love to hate." So true...so true. Yet, year in and year out it produces AND it stays in shape when other local rivers go out. Given the choice, I'd rather face fewer fish and fewer people on the Gunnesack, but the Vedder has its place.